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Re-Entry from a Summer Away

Re-entry can be exciting and rough on the whole family.  Be prepared!

Posted: 8/10/2017 2:41:45 PM

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Summer Travel Abroad

You finally have decided to let your teen travel abroad but yet, you are terrified.

Posted: 5/17/2017 2:57:22 PM

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Packing-for-Camp To Do's

​There is so much going on right now that your head must be spinning.  Awards ceremonies, finals and AP exams!  One month left of school and so many days of summer still unplanned.  Too many procrastinators for sure.

Posted: 5/5/2017 11:00:20 AM

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4 Types of Teens/Summer Plans

Over the past decade, I have raised my own kids to their successful independence (phew) and have helped so many families guide their teenagers to use their summers for exploration, competency development and launching into college.  

Posted: 1/29/2017 9:43:53 PM

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Play, Laugh, Learn and Love – Back to Basics

Crazy scary world we live in today.  And yet, the only thing I want for our children is for them to play, laugh, learn and love.  They should play:  freely, with and without purpose, to exercise, and to explore.

Posted: 11/30/2016 10:01:29 PM

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Full Summer Camping-The Best!

Summer lasts for 3 months…  And letting go of your babies for what feels like the whole summer can be scary the first time.  52 days is a typical full summer camp and that is just not happening (says many the first year)…..
So here is what probably goes on once they leave and you have only committed to a half summer.

Posted: 11/30/2016 3:50:09 PM

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Is Your Child Ready For Camp

How do you know when your child is ready for summer camp?  Multi-level emotions exist, for sure.  1.  Is your child ready?  2.  Are you ready to let them go?  3.  What are the fears and how do you manage them?

Posted: 11/29/2016 2:45:25 PM

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Summer – Research Now

It’s only October and I am already getting calls of panic from parents who believe their opportunity for summer camp for 2014 has already past.  And guess what?  There are several full summer camps that are already filled for the summer of 2014.  And if full summer camping is the type of experience you want for your children, you really should be staring your research with an open mind as to where, if 2014 is the goal.  And yet, there are still so many camps and experiences available… but you have to be in the know.

Posted: 11/28/2016 5:19:22 PM

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Top 5 Discoveries at Camp

Spring break is over and the kids are “happily” back in school (wink wink).  Vacation was great but wow….  whirlwind ran through the house and the return to routine is okay.  And now you can take a few moments to realize there are only 9 weeks till the end of school (in South Florida at least).  One grading period, and the kids are home for the summer.  And if you have not yet made plans — vacation, camp, teen programming, older kids in jobs — now now now is the time!!!!

Posted: 11/28/2016 2:36:49 PM

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Want to Tour Camps for 2018 Summers

To tour or not to tour?  That is the question.  Your friends in NY, NJ, PA and MA spend the summer before they send their kids to camp visiting a series of pre-selected camps.  They pack up the car with provisions for two days and take the kids to camps within 4 hours of driving.  Which camp will be their future summer home??  It is a natural course of  business.

Posted: 11/24/2016 4:49:54 PM

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Scared to send your kids to camp?

I just watched Meatballs — yes, the goofy camp movie with Bill Murray.  A classic for sure.  But the message was right on.  Rudy, the little guy who arrives at camp and clearly does not fit in spends the first day or so as an outcast and runs away from camp.  Bill Murray tracks him down at the local diner, and over a milk shake and french fries, convinces him to come back to camp.  Over the course of the summer, due to“no parental intervention”, Rudy begins to develop  competence, confidence and independence.

Posted: 11/21/2016 3:13:33 PM

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More Than One Right

As I work every day, helping families find summer programs for their children, I do admit that the television is on in the background almost the entire day.  It drowns out the constant jack hammer sounds I hear as they resurface the pool and seawall outside.  So while listening, the much more famous “K” girl (Katie) is on TV interviewing people who are speaking my mantra.  Reid Wilson, PhD & Lynn Lyons, LICSW, spoke and wrote about Anxious Kids, Anxious Parents.  The kids are anxious about  getting into schools and the kids have learned a myth about devoting their lives to “one path to success”.

Posted: 11/15/2016 5:02:14 PM

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Doing your homework

There is so much information on the internet that you really begin to question what is real and what is not so real.    For example, my son recently hired a moving company to move a small amount of furniture from Aventura to Ft. Lauderdale.  The company received all the necessary stars, on line, to indicate that they were a reputable moving company.  He SMARTLY put the deposit on a credit card.  He took a day off from work and had to make the move during a small window of time to accommodate the rules and regs of two condo associations.  Needless to say, they never showed up.  He did receive his deposit back, but he was definitely “taken” by the on line credentials.

Posted: 11/13/2016 5:10:28 PM

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Sleepovers and summer camp teach kids important life skills

Forget empty-nest syndrome: I had a rough enough time recently sending my 6-year-old off to his first sleepover at a friend’s house.He was clearly more ready for this milestone than his father and I were: He’d been begging to go for weeks, and that afternoon, he sat on our steps eagerly waiting to be picked up — sleeping bag, glow-in-the-dark PJs and s’mores fixings in hand — as I worked at holding back tears.

Posted: 11/13/2016 2:57:46 PM

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Teen Programs and Options

I will be spending the next couple of days meeting, greeting and learning about new and exciting programs for teens.  I have spoken with so many parents who all agree — we wish we could attend these programs today!!  

Posted: 11/10/2016 9:37:36 PM

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What is your sideline behavior?

Are you the coach?  The motivator?  The task master?  The one who brings the goodies?  Do you want everyone to participate?  Do you want the kids to win?  Did you play the sport and reliving or rewriting through your child?
Who are you on the sidelines?  What is your sideline behavior?

Posted: 11/4/2016 4:42:44 PM

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P2P – Passion to Proficiency

My very first teen guinea pig was a freshman in high school and also happened to be my niece.  She had fallen in love with photography and wanted to travel the world shooting pictures.  My response, “Great!  But do you really know what you are doing with that camera?”  We established a plan of action which I now call the High School P2P or Passion to Proficiency.

Posted: 10/26/2016 9:40:42 PM

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October Means Summer

YOU ARE NOT TOO LATE!!!!!  OK.  So the buzz is that you have waited too long, any camp that still has space is not a real good one, and you feel terrible because you missed the window again.  You want the best for your kids, you definitely don’t want to settle and yet they are getting older and really should be going to camp already.

Posted: 10/22/2016 5:15:09 PM

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Top 10 Questions for Camp Director

The Camp Directors and Owners are flying around the country meeting and greeting potential campers and families this month.  They are very busy, and ready to present the picture of their camp to you and your children.  But you need to be armed with the right type of questions to make sure that you find the perfect camp for your child and family.

Posted: 10/3/2016 4:34:02 PM

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Camp – With/Without A Friend

When your child goes off to camp without a hometown friend, they may be uncomfortable for the first 20 minutes. The unknown of their new summer home can be overwhelming.  And yet, with proper selection and preparation, those 20 minutes will be exciting rather than scary.

Posted: 9/29/2016 12:00:00 AM

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What can you fit in the summer 2017?

Every summer, we get about 10 1/2 weeks to plan for the kids and the family.  I for one, was never in the “mommy camp” mindset.  Keeping three boys home for an entire summer would crush me.  Sorry!  Not only would I have grayed prematurely, but the cost of entertaining three kids (and often times, friends) would have been overwhelming.  I was always creative with things to do at lower prices, but 10 1/2 weeks is a lot of planning.

Posted: 9/23/2016 3:47:17 PM

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What I Did On My Summer Vacation

Now is the best time to plan your summer.  IT SOUNDS CRAZY!!  But you can find deals and take your time to make sure everyone gets what they want/need.

Posted: 9/17/2016 8:25:34 PM

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Sending my daughter to camp

The decision to send my daughter to camp was a momentous one. Being a camper myself I knew of all the incredible adventures she would have. But I also knew how much I would miss her and worried about sending her out into the world.

Posted: 9/16/2016 10:04:03 PM

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9 Steps to the Right Camp

Nine  good questions to ask to find the right camp experience for your child and family.  One question not to ask — where does the neighbor’s child go.

Posted: 9/16/2016 5:22:54 PM

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7 Ways to Build Character at Camp

Summer camp started in the 1800′s as a way to expose the hard working children to the outdoor environment during the summer months.  What was learned in a classroom could be learned differently in nature.

Posted: 9/13/2016 2:07:31 PM

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It’s a small world

I have heard six degrees of separation, but lately I feel like it is more one to two degrees.  At every turn, there seems to be a connection near and far.  Same camp, same college, same high school.  The more you move around, the more connections you can find.  

Posted: 9/10/2016 9:07:25 PM

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7 Skills to Develop – Camp is Great

Why Is It Important To Send Your Child To Camp?  Youth development experts agree that children need a variety of experiences to help them grow into healthy adolescents and adults. In order to develop and internalize these positive behaviors, experiences must produce...

Posted: 9/1/2016 2:40:27 PM

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Let them go and you go too

I have worked with parents for the past decade helping them find a great summer experience for their children.  As parents are and always have been, they want the very best for their children and will do anything they can to help them become the best person they can be.  

Posted: 8/29/2016 9:11:59 PM

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5 “Back from Camp” Lessons

I know you are behind that pile of laundry.  I know the kids just got back from camp and you have only a few days to get them into school mode.  But….

Posted: 8/14/2016 8:33:49 PM

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Remembering Summer

As everyone gets into school mode, the last bits of summer bliss are still fresh in our minds.  The children who attended sleep away camp are still fresh with stories of newly made friends, the excitement of Color War, and exhibit a little bit of the independence they achieved while away at camp.  

Posted: 8/13/2016 9:15:40 PM

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Let Your Child Grow Beyond You

As you know by now, I am a complete and firm believer in the value of the right summer camp experience.  I believe as a parent, you provide strong roots at home that represent your character and desire for your children as they enter into society.  And by sending your child to the right camp, especially when they are away for the whole summer, you are giving them the wings to confidently practice what they have been taught at home.

Posted: 8/9/2016 3:53:44 PM

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Imagine…. Summer experiences

I have read many articles about the benefits, drawbacks, failures and successes of summer camp experiences for children.  Some simply identify the cost as being the one and only reason to deny a child from a unique and independent experience.

Posted: 8/7/2016 5:26:06 PM

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Will they go back to the same camp?

Some of the kids are home, and some are expected in a week to ten days.  The summer has flown by and it is already time to get school supplies, uniforms, and finally get to the reading list that was never started.

Posted: 8/4/2016 4:46:43 PM

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What Did You Do This Summer?

The kids have been away all summer.  You decided, before they left, that you were going to take care of some things that you had not had time to address during the school year.  You are psyched, have a plan and before you know it, the kids are either back or on their way back in one more week.

Posted: 8/3/2016 7:52:55 PM

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Camp-sickness Cures

Yes, yes.  School is just a few weeks away.  Your child has either arrived home or this information will help you get prepared for their return.  Thankfully, your child had the best summer and can only talk about camp and wishes desperately to return.  

Posted: 8/1/2016 7:25:45 PM

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Seeing New Hampshire

As I do every year, I visit camps in different parts of the country.  I get to know the lakes, the mountains, the itty bitty hotels and motels along the itty bitty highways and I unplug — not by choice mind you.  Since this is a business trip, I really need to stay in touch with clients while on the road.

Posted: 7/29/2016 9:20:35 PM

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They Stayed At Visiting Day

It’s their first summer at camp and you were a nervous wreck.  So you signed them up for a half season.  You get to visiting day and your children have had their family meeting with each other in preparation for your arrival.
They give you big hugs and kisses, accept all the presents.

Posted: 7/28/2016 8:00:38 PM

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Three Weeks Till Camp Is Over

You finally decided to send your kids to camp for the entire summer.  The first 3 1/2 weeks, you were permanently perched in front of the computer looking for photographic hints as to their mental condition.  

Posted: 7/27/2016 8:07:57 PM

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Full Summer Camps – Better Option?

Visiting day is over and/or right around the corner.  And for many, visiting day is the center of summer.  For those who have sent their kids to sleepaway camp for a half session, tell me if this sounds right….
 

Posted: 7/21/2016 4:52:54 PM

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Not just a Camp Expert

This was a great summer!  I have been fortunate to receive feedback from so many of the families I have sent on summer experiences.  But there were a few special phone calls worth sharing because they represent situations in which many may find themselves.  

Posted: 7/20/2016 12:00:00 AM

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Visiting Day – Another Tale

Visiting Day…. the right of passage that has been all over the internet.  The Running…. The Hugging…. The Candy and Junk Food…. The Smiles and Happy Faces…..

Posted: 7/16/2016 9:24:36 PM

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“Special” Summers

As I travel every summer visiting traditional camps and various summer programs, I really get a chance to see the marvelous people who deal with all types of children and their needs.  This current trip is dedicated to more specialized programs …. the ones that your neighbor may not have heard of…. Camps for kids with ADHD, Autism Spectrum, and Other Socialization Challenges

Posted: 7/2/2016 4:55:57 PM

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Refresh Refresh

All of a sudden, you have some free time.  The endless hours of childcare don’t exist right now because the kids have left for sleepaway camp.  You have a list of projects you are thinking about tackling while they are gone.  But, you just can’t seem to step away from the computer.

Posted: 6/30/2016 7:29:57 PM

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Tips on Letter Writing to Your Kids at Camp

Great Letters come with a bit of effort and creativity.  Not every letter has to be the greatest, but put the effort in at least once a week.

Posted: 6/23/2016 7:32:49 PM

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First Day of Camp

Have you had the talk with your kids?  How did it go?  If you are a second summer parent, what tips can you share with first time parents??

Posted: 6/10/2016 8:43:19 PM

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Are they gone yet?

The planning and packing are complete.  School has ended and now the waiting begins…. for many.  So many camps and teen programs start right after Father’s Day.

Posted: 6/10/2016 8:10:05 PM

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School’s Out – What Will You Do?

So the summer is here, the storms have arrived and kids of all ages are so relieved to change their routines.  Everyone, if possible, is looking forward to a break from making lunches, a little relief from the early morning rush and the constant reminder to do your homework.

Posted: 6/6/2016 9:27:51 PM

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Camp: A Tech Break and Marriage Saver

While my kids mainline Instagram and feverishly text, update and Snapchat with friends, I count down the days until they go off the grid and the tech detox begins.

Posted: 6/3/2016 9:33:37 PM

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Saving Camp Memories in Print

The often repeated term – “Refresh Refresh” – represents a typical mom who has sent her children to sleepaway camp but just can’t stand the thought of missing that photo of the day!  Every photo speaks volumes as to your daughter’s state of mind, position in the cabin and happiness for the day.

Posted: 6/3/2016 8:13:18 PM

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Live 10 months for 2

If you are sending your child to sleepaway camp this summer, and you went to camp as well, I can feel the vibration of excitement coming from each and every household (some early birds have already left).  I remember the trucks picking up the duffel bags and all of a sudden, it was real.

Posted: 6/2/2016 8:41:03 PM

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Homesickness 101

Monday night was the “last supper” before I began my summer travels.  I will be gone for a couple of months.  I spend a lot of time with my family and especially with my mom….  My mom looked at me with these very sad eyes and said:

Posted: 6/2/2016 8:37:48 PM

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Mass-aaaaaa-ge!

The close of school is just a few days away.  Everyone is feeling the pressure.  Finals, ceremonies, duffle bag packing but the  most stressful for most is indecision….

Indecision as to what is going to happen when June 6th occurs and the school year is over.  OMG!!
I have spoken with every kind of mom and dad in the past few weeks. 

Posted: 5/30/2016 6:05:10 PM

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School to summer transition coming

The “change” is about to arrive.  Settling into a new routine can be problematic AND enjoyable for the whole family.  So here are some tips to help you and your whole family, transition into summer.

Posted: 5/26/2016 7:35:51 PM

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Are They Listening?

Graduation is around the corner.  Awards ceremonies are near.  Summer camp duffels need to be ordered and arranged.  This is such a busy time of the year.  So exciting, so frustrating, so overwhelming….  So how, as a parent, do you deal with it all?  

Posted: 5/20/2016 9:46:19 PM

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Camp Experts Packing List

Print this out for a great packing list for camp.

Posted: 5/2/2016 7:41:23 PM

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5 Things Not To Say Before Sending Your Child To Camp

Most camps are starting in about 59 days.  The kids are starting to get excited/nervous while they watch their parents scramble around with the list of items needed for camp.  The duffle bags have been purchased; the permanent markers are ready to get used to label EVERYTHING IN SIGHT!

Posted: 4/28/2016 8:47:17 PM

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Summer of Freedom and Wonder

The history of summer camps reflects the desire of parents to get their children outside of the urban areas during the summer….  to refresh, reflect, and often times, to get them out of harms way.  In these days of ongoing anguish over the occurrences in Boston, our natural inclination is to cling to our kids tightly.  And yet, as history has shown, there comes a time when letting go provides the greatest healing for our children.

Posted: 4/19/2016 2:49:48 PM

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Spinning in Circles?

Post-Spring Break is always a hectic time.  Great vacation time quickly turns into FCATs, Finals, AP exams, graduations, proms, awards ceremonies and before you know it, the first of June has arrived.  You are so busy with day to day activity that planning for the summer is so hard to even contemplate right now.

Posted: 4/11/2016 6:08:11 PM

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5 Tips To Take Away Summer Guilt

Whose summer do you plan first?  Yours or your children’s??  I am not suggesting that one should be first, but that typically as parents we tend to do everything we can to sacrifice for our children.

Posted: 4/8/2016 8:51:25 PM

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Generation Z Needs Overnight Camp

Generation Z. Those who have been born in the 90’s have grown up with conveniences that we’re enjoying today. There’s the constant connection to the internet and the world wide web, the smartphone, access to instant communication mediums such as text messaging, and of course, social media networking. 

Posted: 4/1/2016 2:26:29 PM

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Camp Safety 101

Many families have either selected the camp for the summer, are in the final phase of decision making OR scrambling around to find just the right camp now.  The first question I get asked is how do you know a camp is safe?  

Posted: 3/27/2016 8:54:15 PM

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Special children get special camps

I often get calls from parents who start the dialogue with:  ”this is going to be a hard one for you, but I really need your help!”  They proceed to tell me about their child and how wonderful he or she is, bright, outgoing, loves animals, but….  and then there is the hesitancy and sometimes, the choked sentence follows.   He is somewhere on the spectrum and I really want him to learn to get along with others, be more independent, not get teased, just have fun….  I then follow with, “and you can use a break as well.”

Posted: 3/26/2016 6:11:21 PM

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Specialty vs General Camp

Over the past ten years, I have spoken to hundreds, maybe thousands of parents.  Typically, I speak to moms who either are the driver behind sending their children to camp or they are the implementer of the decision that both parents have made.  So here is a typical conversation.  My son, he is the oldest of three, is 9 years old and he is an amazing …..  fill in the blanks.  Let’s use tennis as the example because since I am a tennis player, it is easy to talk about, and familiar to many families.

Posted: 3/20/2016 7:12:12 PM

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Spring Break is Here!!

Yea!!  It’s Spring Break!!  A full week off of school, no lunches to make and tons of fun activities planned for the week.  If you are going away for the week, have a blast, be safe and enjoy every minute.

Posted: 3/20/2016 3:36:02 PM

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Role Models at Camp

My three boys and I were a real team.  Their dad traveled four to five days per week, bringing home the bacon, while I worked part time and took care of the gold — three delicious young boys.  I took them to just about every ball game, sitting by the sidelines, watching, cheering and wishing for their success.

Posted: 3/14/2016 8:57:48 PM

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You’re Not Too Late For Summer

Today is summer day, and the calls are consistent, frantic, and repetitive.  There is still space in sleep away camp, there are still teen programs that are not filled and you do not have to lose sleep over it.  So let’s check out reality.  

Posted: 3/6/2016 7:16:46 PM

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6 Tips for Staying in Touch with Your Kids When They are at Sleepaway Camp

The kids have left the house for the summer, or at least a portion of the summer, and you are having withdrawals.  No one to feed, no one to “encourage” to clean their rooms or brush their teeth.  All the moments you spend pushing your kids out the door for the start of school are now YOUR moments.

Posted: 3/5/2016 9:01:19 PM

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Decision-making Teens? How?

I know… It’s an oxymoron.  Teenagers don’t make decisions and when they do, the decisions are often times not quite what feels comfortable to the adults in the room.  But this is very normal and age appropriate.  It has been shown that the frontal cortex, the area of the brain that controls reasoning and helps us think before we act, develops later than the amygdala which is responsible for instinctual reactions including fear and aggressive behavior.

Posted: 3/1/2016 9:49:35 PM

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Perfect Valentine’s Day Gift for the Summer

I really don’t have a one track mind.  But when was the last time you and your spouse were home alone for longer than a weekend?  When was the last time you came home after a long day and without any mixed emotions, without any guilty pull from parenting responsibilities, were able to just leisurely decide last minute to go to the beach for a late night stroll and eat outdoors?  Or just stay home and watch a movie on TV and crack open a bottle of wine and eat bread and cheese for dinner?
 

Posted: 2/14/2016 3:41:21 PM

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Teens try out college

When I think back to some of the best times of my life, I remember back to camp and college.  These were times of freedom with purpose.  So when your kids have really outgrown camp, or you want them to experience alternatives that are available, heading off to college for a summer experience is a great option.  

Posted: 2/12/2016 9:57:35 PM

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Returning Home

“Re-entry for grown-ups vs. kids”….  A trip of a lifetime…. saved my pennies, took time (when for business reasons, didn’t have it to take), saw the greatest players in tennis in the most fantastic tennis facility in Melbourne, Australia, beautiful sites, great food, terrific friends, the stressors of home and work life disappeared for a glorious two weeks, and my electronic communication was limited to the hotel room where I had wi-fi…..

Posted: 2/2/2016 8:17:04 PM

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Returning Home

“Re-entry for grown-ups vs. kids”….  A trip of a lifetime…. saved my pennies, took time (when for business reasons, didn’t have it to take), saw the greatest players in tennis in the most fantastic tennis facility in Melbourne, Australia, beautiful sites, great food, terrific friends, the stressors of home and work life disappeared for a glorious two weeks, and my electronic communication was limited to the hotel room where I had wi-fi…..

Posted: 2/2/2016 8:17:04 PM

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Is 13 too old to start camp?

I was a sleepaway camp counselor for many many years.  My favorite age was the 12, 13 and 14 year old campers.  They thought they knew EVERYTHING!!  It was great, exciting, fun, challenging and eye opening.  These kids seemed to know a lot more than I thought they should know.
And yet, they were well into their formative years.

Posted: 1/20/2016 4:58:28 PM

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You, My Child, Are In Charge Of Your Body

You’ve met the Camp Director, selected the best possible camp, it has the right staff, the right training, the right accreditation, and comes recommended highly by everyone.  And then, something goes terribly wrong at camp.  There was one thing you forgot to check off your to-do list and that is to EMPOWER YOUR CHILD!

Posted: 1/10/2016 8:20:35 PM

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The Gifting Season

For years, Chanukah was a big holiday filled with small basic presents each night ending with one biggie for my boys.  Underwear, socks, new pajamas, coupons to get out of dish washing or other chores…..  Always included money that had to be donated to charity of their choice.  We would do the research, make a selection of an organization for which they felt compassion, and send off the contribution in their name.

Posted: 12/2/2015 5:07:06 PM

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Toughening Up

Are we overdoing the bully label?  As it has been said, are we “sissifying” our kids?

Posted: 11/13/2015 9:04:02 PM

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Adults Go To Camp Too

The best parent is the one that is a good role model.  Do as I do!!  Rightt?
Well, it’s my turn.  I’M GOING TO TENNIS CAMP!!!!

Posted: 11/13/2015 3:26:15 PM

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Find Your Inner Child

I took three days, just three little days, and felt like I was away for a fantastic vacation.  It’s amazing how renewed you feel when you get away from your normal routine.  I went to tennis camp with a group of women who have the same passion for tennis as I do.  We played tennis for 5 hours a day.  This would not be heaven to everyone, but for us it was glorious.  We played, got to know each other, told stories, danced the night away, and yes I took a ride on the trapeze!

Posted: 10/21/2015 3:17:18 PM

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